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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:00 pm Post subject: Get real.....
starlight wrote:
Nannette wrote:
Starlight - you've used this fabricated statement as your signature:
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It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth........Theordore Herzl
Can you provide a reference as to which of Herzl's books it's from, or which of his speeches... otherwise would you please remove it, as it's certainly untrue...
Your quote appears on all anti-semitic websites but seems to be a very bad and twisted translation, each part copmpletely out of context with the other, of the original text taken from the following:
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:48 am Post subject: Re: There are none so blind
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She is wrong just about everything pertaining to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict: about Israel, about the Arabs and their stance and claims in the whole ordeal, about Zionism, about moral equivalency, etc. I just like the fact that she speaks up freely, can take criticism and correction, and apparently can be reasoned with. Not a bad person.
Jim, you are probably right.
She may be a good person, brain-washed and propagandized with Arabian doublespeak since infancy.
There are very few things that would make me happier than to see the Arabians as a happy, peaceful, joyous people, enjoying the gifts of life and family and everything else.
Because if they were happy and joyous and peaceful everyone would be better off.
The problem is getting through to Arabians who are nice even though they have been taught from infancy to hate.
They still believe the majority of the arabian and leftist propaganda, even if, one hopes, they are not as violent as their brethren.
I think we had Ari-gold moving very slowly towards the center from the left, at least that's how I saw it.
I was once a leftist myself, so people do change.
I've never seen anyone with the level of indoctrination that starlight has, be swayed by facts and logic.
But, If we can show arabians the truth, maybe we can get them to join the rest of the human race.
If not, at least we can help those who've not made up their minds yet to be aware that the level of intentional atrocities, such as , beheading innocent people, torturing and intentionally murdering children, with the express intention of murdering children, encouraging children to blow themselves up while killing and maiming as many innocent bystanders as possible and the list goes on, that this behaviour is not noble, it's not moral,
it's criminal behaviour.
I know where the hate comes from , i had to look at your signature , Kahane .com , Oh I got it now . Is it like someone signing , David Icke .com (if you know what i mean ? ) (I have a chance to talkl to others but with someone that signs kahane .com , no chance whatsoever, and you must be over the moon for this Have a good day ! _________________ It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it. G .W .Bush
I know where the hate comes from , i had to look at your signature , Kahane .com , Oh I got it now . Is it like someone signing , David Icke .com (if you know what i mean ? ) (I have a chance to talkl to others but with someone that signs kahane .com , no chance whatsoever, and you must be over the moon for this ... Have a good day !
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 5:36 am Post subject: I don't hate arabians but....
starlight wrote:
Michael
I know where the hate comes from , i had to look at your signature , Kahane .com , Oh I got it now . Is it like someone signing , David Icke .com (if you know what i mean ? ) (I have a chance to talkl to others but with someone that signs kahane .com , no chance whatsoever, and you must be over the moon for this Have a good day !
I don't hate arabians, but logic indicates that the type of activities we've been discussing, i.e., sawing the heads off of innocent civilians, turning children into human bombs , etc. require suppression.
Those we call "jihadists", commit crimes of great brutality, but we often see crowds of people in arabia cheering their heinous deeds.
As far as Rav Kahane, OBM, He advocated peaceful transfer out of Israel for hostile arabs.
Those leaving Israel would be compensated.
Since the major thrust of arab terrorism is against Jews, and against the U.S. because the arabs think we are like the Jews, Israel has the right to protect her existence by deporting hostile arabians.
My website name, IsraelAmerica refers to the two country's response to global arabian terrorism, it is a symbiotic relationship, therefore, the name.
Sorry to disagree, but many Arabs know there are many Decent Jews who dont want to harm them, they give them jobs (farms ) and labour work, they protect them at checkpoints (Gush Shalom employs elderly ladies on a voluntary basis to check on the Palestinians so they dont get abused by the Russian born IDF (apparently they are the worst ) and you just have to google Jewish friends of Palestinian to find hundreds if not thousands of decent peace loving people who dont hate Arabs .
Thank god for that . We are not as ignorant as some may , we know many Jewish people are decent people ! (and we thank them from our heart for their support and kindness ) GUSH SHALOM is one of them .. _________________ It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it. G .W .Bush
There's Jewish friends of everyone... but only one Muslims for Israel!
Jews have a history of supporting the underdog and minorities... that's why in America they supported black rights...
Please let us know of an Arab middle eastern country where Jews are treated well??? Please let us know of an Arab middle eastern country where Jews live today?
Of all the Arab states, Morrocco has the largest Jewish population which is under 5,000...
Or do you think it's okay for the Jews to be ethnically cleansed from all of the middle east???
In Iraq (Mesopotamia) the Jews were the original inhabitants, as they were in Syria, Israel, etc...
But, following Mohammed's ideology, the Muslims want all their countries Judenrein, and they'll take the land whether it's theirs or not.... after all, Medina was a Jewish city until Mohammed came and killed them all! _________________ He who is merciful with the cruel, will end-up being cruel to the merciful
- Kohelet Rabba 7:16
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 5:36 pm Post subject: With friends like gush shalom, who needs arabians?
starlight wrote:
(Gush Shalom ...... GUSH SHALOM is one of them ..
Gush Shalom are fools.
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Gush Shalom delegation visits Arafat
An extensive exchange of views took place today (7.8.04) when a delegation of 16 Gush activists visited Yasser Arafat at his battered compound in Ramallah.
In terms of the sheer numbers murdered, Eichmann and Hitler were the most terrible killers of Jews in history. But even as Europe was being liberated from those monsters, a young Arab living in Cairo was embarking on a course that would earn him, by 2003, the distinction of being the worst slayer of Jews since the Fuhrer put a bullet in his own brain.
Arafat, has devoted his entire adult life to annihilating Jewish individuals and the Jewish state, who has ordered and praised the slaughter of Jewish babies while accepting the acclaim of his people as their great military leader; who has given the green light for the perpetration of the most heinous acts of murder of women, children and men; and who has encouraged little Palestinian children to go to their deaths armed with stones and bombs, while priding himself as the leader of the great jihad against the Zionists.
* Hani Avrahami, and her three children. Avrahami called her husband Yossi’s cell phone on October 12, 2000 to be gleefully told by the Arab who had taken it from him: “At this time we are killing your husband.” Arafat’s people physically ripped Yossi’s body apart after he was bludgeoned to death in a PA police station.
* Geula Hershkowitz, whose husband Arye was shot dead in one terrorist shooting attack while driving to work on January 29, 2001, and whose eldest son, Assaf, was killed in another terrorist shooting attack on May 1, just over three months later.
* The parents, sister and brother of 18-year-old Yasmin Karisi, who was one of eight young Israelis crushed to death when a Palestinian terrorist deliberately ploughed the bus he was driving into a crowded bus stop on February 14, 2001.
* Seth and Sheri Mandell, whose 14-year-old son Kobi - together with his friend Yossi Ish-Ran - was so brutally stoned to death in a Judean cave by Palestinians on May 9, 2001, that his body was unrecognizable.
* Yitzhak and Oriya Pass, whose 10-month-old daughter Shalhevet was deliberately shot dead by a Palestinian sniper on March 26, 2001.
* The mother and the twin brother of Liana Sakiyan (16), who along with 20 other young Israelis - 16 of them teenagers - was killed by a ‘suicide’ bomber in an attack on Tel Aviv’s Dolphinarium seafront disco on June 1, 2001.
* Arnold and Frimet Roth, whose oldest daughter, Malka (15) together with 14 other people was killed by a ‘suicide’ bomber while enjoying lunch in Jerusalem’s Sbarro Pizzeria on August 9, 2001.
* Eight-year-old Haya Schijveschuurder who, along with her 10-year-old sister Leah, and their brothers Ben-Zion, 21, Meir, 20 and Shmuel, 16, lost their father Mordechai and mother Tzirli, their sisters Raya (14) and Hemda(2), and their brother Avraham Yitzhak (3) in the Sbarro attack.
* Holocaust survivor Naomi Friedman, Tzirli Schijveschuurder’s mother, who after burying her daughter, her son-in-law, two granddaughters and a grandson said: “I thought I’d left hell behind [when she escaped the death camps], but I didn’t.”
* The sisters, Anna and Rosa Bakshayev, whose husbands, Edward and Anatoly, were among six people killed by one of Arafat’s terrorists while attending a bat mitzvah celebration for Edward’s step-granddaughter in Hadera on January 17, 2002.
* Haviv Ohana and his sons Oded and Yonatan, whose wife and mother Miri, and disabled 11-year-old daughter and sister Yael were murdered by one of Arafat’s terrorists on Moshav Hamra on February 6, 2002.
* Hannah Nehmad, whose son-in-law, Shlomo, daughter, Gafnit, and their three children, Shaul (15), Shiraz (7), Liran (3) were killed by a ‘suicide’ bomber in downtown Jerusalem on March 2, 2002.
* Shimon Ilan, Shlomo Nehmad’s brother, who also lost his son Lidor (12) and daughter Oriah (18 months) in the March 2 ‘suicide’ bombing in Jerusalem.
* Ofir Eliyahu and his daughter Shira (2), who lost wife and mother Tzofiya and her seven-month-old baby, Yakov, in the same attack.
* Tuvia Livne and his four children, whose wife and mother Lynne and daughter and sister Atara (15) were among six Israelis killed by Palestinians as they drove near Israel’s northern border with Lebanon on May 12, 2002.
* Seven-year-old Shoval and three-year-old Shachar Shemesh, whose father, Gad, and mother, Tzipi, together with her unborn child, were killed by a ‘suicide’ bomber in central Jerusalem on March 21, 2002.
* The two daughters of Michael and Dvora Karim, an elderly couple among 30 people killed by a ‘suicide’ bomber who blew himself up during a Passover Seder meal in Netanya on March 27, 2002.
* The friends of Holocaust survivor couple Ernest and Eva Weiss, who were killed in the Netanya Passover attack.
* Na'ama Gavish and her daughter Darya, whose husband and father Avraham, together with his parents David and Rachel and his grandfather Yitzhak Kanner were shot dead by a Palestinian terrorist in their Elon Moreh home on March 28, 2002.
* Rachel Koren, who buried her husband Shimon and her two sons, Gal (15) and Ran (18), after a ‘suicide’ bomber in Haifa killed them on March 31, 2002.
The list seems endless. For all the names and details of those whose lives have been taken in the last three years by the Arabs Arafat represents, follow the link to http://www.israel-mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0iky0 .
While arafat sees all Jews everywhere as simply “vermin” to be exterminated, and is thus guilty of waging a campaign of genocide against the Jewish people, Arafat is also as responsible for the deaths of all these individuals, and the excruciating pain caused their loved ones, as were the gunmen and ‘suicide’ bombers who, pledging allegiance to their leader, pulled the triggers and detonated the explosives that physically took all those lives.
Plausible deniability Except for when he cannot control his own bloodlust and sings the praises of the “martyrs”, who leave places like Jerusalem’s Mahane Yehuda market strewn with Jewish bodies, Arafat has successfully created the appearance of distance between himself and the other Palestinian terror groups.
He learned this tactic from former Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu, according to Ion Mihai Pacepa, former head of Romanian intelligence, who quotes Ceausescu as telling Arafat back in 1978, “…you can keep as many operational groups as you want, as long as they are not publicly connected with your name. They could mount endless operations all around the world, while your name and your 'government' would remain pristine and unspoiled, ready for negotiations and further recognition.”
While Arafat learned that lesson well and put it into practice, he has been unmasked by Israel’s intelligence services and is known to work in close conjunction with Hamas and other terror organizations.
Writes intelligence analyst Christopher Story: “Hamas (and its subdivisions) is and always has been an integral component of the umbrella organization known as the Palestine Liberation Organization…” A former Hamas leader, Sheikh Mahmoud Zahar, has described the PLO-Hamas relationship as being “like the wings of a bird... that work together.”
Just two weeks ago, before 21 Israelis, among them many little children, were bombed to death on a Jerusalem bus by a Hamas member, Israeli intelligence warned that Arafat had given the terror group the green light to perpetrate attacks.
Whether for the 1972 killing of Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympic Games by a Palestinian group calling itself ‘Black September’, or for the same group’s 1973 murder in Khartoum of US Ambassador Cleo A. Noel, for which Arafat personally took the credit; whether for the 1974 shooting to death of 21 Israeli schoolchildren in Ma’alot by the DFLP, the 1975 Tel Aviv Savoy Hotel attack in which eight hostages were murdered, the 1978 Coastal Road bus hijacking by Arafat’s Fatah group, in which 35 people were massacred, or all the bombings which followed the signing of the Oslo Accords in 1991 - Yasser Arafat is directly responsible for them all.
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:24 am Post subject: Starlgiht thinks some Jews are decent
starlight wrote:
Michael
Sorry to disagree, but many Arabs know there are many Decent Jews who dont want to harm them, Thank god for that .
we know many Jewish people are decent people ! (and we thank them from our heart for their support and kindness ) GUSH SHALOM is one of them ..
I’m sure some Arabs do think Jews are decent, especially if they think the way you want them to.
I'm sure there are Arabs who don’t hate Jews.
How could there not be some Arabians that don’t hate them?
Jews are loveable people.
I love them so much that I've transformed my entire life because of their influence.
I've never met a Jew I didn't like.
To me they are like jewels in the landscape of humanity.
You would probably call me a Jew-lover.
Which I am.
I spend a good deal of my life working with and caring for Jews.
I loved the first Jew I met, and all that I have known since.
So I believe there are Arabs that don’t hate Jews.
But the Arabs in power, all of them, and the vast majority of Arabians, according to your estimate do hate Jews.
Their motives are expressed as sometimes not even thinly veiled, sentiments consistent with deep, violent hatred of the Jewish people.
The Israeli gov't is a human institution, therefore Israelis make mistakes, they are no doubt in the wrong in some way at a given time, the question before us, however, is are the brutal actions of the popular, in the Arab world, criminal gangs throughout Arabia and the world, and whether it is ever justifiable to perform the atrocities they routinely perform.
The photograph of an Arabian identifying himself at a checkpoint,
next to a photograph of children blown to bits, shows what many Arabians believe is a quid pro quo,
i.e.., Arabians humiliated at checkpoints have the right to blow up a disco full of children.
It’s pretty well known, that if Palestinian “militants’ had practiced civil disobedience
Instead of murder as a redress for their grievances there would now be an Arab Palestine
State.
By now, if it had been a peaceful neighbor, it would be a state blessed by peace, prosperity, and new-found ties with it’s democratic neighbor.
It would probably be the most successful state in Arabia, because of it’s proximity to and interactions with Israel.
To paraphrase Golda Meier “The Arabs will only find peace when they learn to love their children more than they hate the Jews.”
Please let us know of an Arab middle eastern country where Jews are treated well??? Please let us know of an Arab middle eastern country where Jews live today?
To be honest with you , I dont know about jewish communities in the ME , but I know about the Jewish Community in Morocco (I lived there 11 years ) and i have heard of the Jewish community in Tunis , and both are doing well, in fact the most well to do communities.
they have their synagogues, their fabulous villas , and sophisticated shops and businesses, their kosher Restaurants and Butchers . I have been to a Jewish High school with a friend to register her daughter (Muslim girl ) because it is one of the good schools too.
The Counsellor of the KIng of Morocco ,Mohammed 6 ,is Andre Azoulay , a Jewish guy. I can speak of this community because i know of it but i dont know about the others .
It is like me asking you about how the Muslims are treated in Thailand or West of China , Im sure you dont know much about them even though they exist . (mistreated by the way , you guessed right !) _________________ It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it. G .W .Bush
Please let us know of an Arab middle eastern country where Jews are treated well??? Please let us know of an Arab middle eastern country where Jews live today?
To be honest with you , I dont know about jewish communities in the ME , but I know about the Jewish Community in Morocco (I lived there 11 years ) and i have heard of the Jewish community in Tunis , and both are doing well, in fact the most well to do communities.
they have their synagogues, their fabulous villas , and sophisticated shops and businesses, their kosher Restaurants and Butchers . I have been to a Jewish High school with a friend to register her daughter (Muslim girl ) because it is one of the good schools too.
The Counsellor of the KIng of Morocco ,Mohammed 6 ,is Andre Azoulay , a Jewish guy. I can speak of this community because i know of it but i dont know about the others .
It is like me asking you about how the Muslims are treated in Thailand or West of China , Im sure you dont know much about them even though they exist . (mistreated by the way , you guessed right !)
There's no Jews in middle eastern Arab states... but I know the Morroccan Jewish community is okay... there's 5,000 Jews in Morrocco, although there are less than 1,500 left in Tunisia.
As for China, it might be less communist than it was, but religion is still banned.... I posted a very long article in the rest of the world part of the forum about Muslims in China...
The reason the Muslims of Thailand have been treated badly is because for the past few years, the extremists have been going around chopping heads off the Buddhist monks... and they declared jihad there. It's a Buddhist majority of 90% - and if the jihadists want their own state they should go somewhere else. _________________ He who is merciful with the cruel, will end-up being cruel to the merciful
- Kohelet Rabba 7:16
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