Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:02 pm Post subject: Israel - what's the truth?
Michael Blackburn
let me answer a few of your questions , i hope i wont miss any.
First of all , Im a decent human being who wants peace and a decent life to everyone , therefore i dont approve of terrorism and suicide bombing .
if an attack is against the IDF , i dont mind , after all they are the ones who are making their life hell. and fighting the army is legitimate
Ask anyone who is subjected to the checkpoints misery for hours every single day ,or the endless curfews, or the detention because you hapen to be 16 to 45 , ask those who lost their homes in collective punishment, or the lady who gives birth at the checkpoint and loses her baby , or those who have to crawl in their homes after 6 pm, because (windows being at stomach level , ) the IDF shoot at everthing that moves . (Ask Yehuda Shaul and what they do to the Palestinians )
i dont approve of attacking civilians (let alone children , No , and NO again , no children should be targeted ) but how many Children and civilians have been attacked by Missiles from the Apaches ? (same for me , it is a terrrorist attack on a bigger scale because more people die and more homes destroyed and innocent civilians walking by also die . The Apache is not going to chose and pick from one from the crowd inside a refugiee camp , so that s alright then is it ? You media does not condemn it one bit , why not , Palestinian life is not a life ?
My own father fought the French occupation (I was born in North Africa) and my mom too . For the french they were terrorists, for my people they were freedom fighters who deserves their respect and support .
French occupation ended after 132 years , and no ,we did not have an army, F16, Apaches, tanks and humvees . the Will of the people got the French out .
My dad was shot in the head at 23 years of age, my mom was 20 and was told she was too pretty to be a freedom fighter . she was even offered a one way trip to Paris if she wanted to by a high ranking soldier.
Guess what , a street has been named after my dad and we , received quite a few perks because of his services and fight . (pension and other benefits too )
You mentioned : Jews being thrown out in the sea, , you know i roll my eyes everytime i read that . You must read a brilliant book written by Richard Ben Cramer , winner of the Pulitzer prize , HOW ISRAEL LOST .
(NO, he cant stand Arafat either but he will tell you what he thinks of the Jews being thrown into the sea (the guy is funny and he gives information without boring the hell out of you like some books about ME.I recommend to everyone . He is no jew hater either , the guy is brilliant . when you finish the book, you ll despise both Arafat , and Sharon (even more )
Do you know what Modechai Bentov, (an Israeli cabinet minister at the time,) said ? " All this story about the danger of extermination [of Israel in June 1967] has been a complete invention and has been blown up a poseriori to justify the annexation of Arab territory (Le Monde, 3 June 1972 )
Israel is the 4th military power in the world , she can face all the 23 Arab countries and add to them some Muslims from Asia and Africa and she can still crush them to rubble , so dont let the media kid you .We know Israel is even selling sophisticated arms to the US , invented and built in Israel . so by saying that , you actually admit your ignorance . Unless you are just repeating what you have heard ..
Im not yet finished , but i have to go right now .
Please again get your facts straight... Cramer's book that won the Pullitzer Prize was called Joe DiMaggio: A Hero's Life. His latest book has been slammed by critics.
As for Mordechai Bentov, he died in 1985, but didn't actually say what you've quoted, in fact, you've taken your information from Al Jazeera. Bentov, was in fact an ardent zionist and one of the founders of the State of Israel! However, this is a well-used quote by propagandists for Palestinian terrorism.
Seeing as the Arabs were killing Israelis long before the State of Israel came into being, and seeing as how the Arabs were using terrorist tactics before 1967... when they openly declared that their goal was to push Israel into the sea... you've shown once again how easily you'll believe everything bad about Israel and condone Palestinian terrorism.
If there would have been no terrorism, the Palestinians would have had their own state and everyone in the middle east would be living in peace.
As for the 1967 war, it began when the Arab armies massed on Israel's borders...
As for the Palestinians wanting their own state, before 1967 there were no such people as Palestinians and the Arabs living in the West Bank still held Jordanian nationality.
How do you feel about the Kurds? Do you think they should have their own state? _________________ He who is merciful with the cruel, will end-up being cruel to the merciful
- Kohelet Rabba 7:16
How do you feel about the Kurds? Do you think they should have their own state?
Absolutely ! I would love that ! Britain is responsible of carving Kurdistan without giving a toss about the the Kurds as being one community that had its traditions , its language, its music , et.. Now the kurds are divided into various countries , some in Iran, some in Syria , some in Iran and some in Russia . Shame !
Palestinians did not exist before 1967? by saying that, Nanette , you are proving you know Ziltch about the Middle East ! where did you read this ? on a Right wing Jewish site ? Can I show you a map of 1948 that clearly says Palestine ? or some pictures taken in the late 1800 showing Palestinian costumes for ladies ? I can post the links no problem at all.
About the 1967 war , (I m reading 2 books about it , not yet finished, i could not make up my mind so im reading both , jumping from one to the other ) If you read all the facts, Israel actually Provoked Syria, and Jordan and Israel attacked knowing it will def win . Just a smart plan to get more land from the Golan and Westbank and Gaza . (thanks to Eli Cohen who convinced the Army areas to be planted with cedars , so the Golan heights was a peace of cake ) _________________ It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it. G .W .Bush
How do you feel about the Kurds? Do you think they should have their own state?
Absolutely ! I would love that ! Britain is responsible of carving Kurdistan without giving a toss about the the Kurds as being one community that had its traditions , its language, its music , et.. Now the kurds are divided into various countries , some in Iran, some in Syria , some in Iran and some in Russia . Shame !
Actually, Kurdistan was invaded by Turkey, Iraq and Syria...
starlight wrote:
Palestinians did not exist before 1967? by saying that, Nanette , you are proving you know Ziltch about the Middle East ! where did you read this ? on a Right wing Jewish site ? Can I show you a map of 1948 that clearly says Palestine ? or some pictures taken in the late 1800 showing Palestinian costumes for ladies ? I can post the links no problem at all.
Actually the area was called Palestine but it wasn't a country... so there were no Palestinians, except the British called Jews Palestinians as a derogatory term...
The people now called Palestinians are Arabs... most of whom migrated there (when Jews brought the swamplands from the Turks), they were paid well to help Jews drain the swamplands and help build towns... and some of the loyal Arab workers were rewarded with homes and plots of land of their own.
starlight wrote:
About the 1967 war , (I m reading 2 books about it , not yet finished, i could not make up my mind so im reading both , jumping from one to the other ) If you read all the facts, Israel actually Provoked Syria, and Jordan and Israel attacked knowing it will def win . Just a smart plan to get more land from the Golan and Westbank and Gaza . (thanks to Eli Cohen who convinced the Army areas to be planted with cedars , so the Golan heights was a peace of cake )
On BBC TV before the war of 67, they showed the buildup of tanks and troops around Israel's border... and don't forget Israel was attacked in 1948, 1953, 1959 by ALL the surrounding Arab armies... but your books seem to be giving you the wrong information...
Quote:
In 1967, Egypt’s President Gamal Abdel Nasser poured seven divisions of the Egyptian army into the Sinai Peninsula. At his behest, the UN Secretary General U Thant removed UNEF two days later, precisely when it was supposed to prevent the escalation of hostilities into war.7 President Nasser further made declarations that left no doubt regarding his imminent intentions to wage war on Israel. Israel’s diplomatic efforts to stop the aggression and remove the threat to its existence failed. In international law, no state is expected to be a sitting duck and wait until bombs are actually dropped on its territory. The state that engages in aggressive activities and statements is itself considered the one to have launched an aggressive attack in violation of international law. After weeks of mobilization, which paralyzed the Israeli economy, Israel was finally forced to act in anticipatory self-defense, and on June 5, 1967, it struck the Egyptian Air Force, destroying its aircraft on the ground. Syria and Jordan, totally unprovoked, attacked Israel on that same day, opening fire all along the armistice line. Contingents supporting the Arab attack arrived from Iraq, Algeria and Kuwait as well. The war ended with Israel’s victory. The Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights, the Gaza Strip, Judea and Samaria (also known as the “West Bank”), and the Old City of Jerusalem came under Israeli control.
UN Security Council Resolution 242, passed in the wake of the Six Day War, was aimed at establishing the guidelines for a “peaceful and accepted settlement” to be agreed by the parties. Accordingly, it affirmed that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the withdrawal of Israeli armed forces [not necessarily all Israeli armed forces] from territories [not necessarily all territories] occupied in 1967 as well as the “termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every state in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.”
UN Security Council Resolution 338 which dates to the 1973 Yom Kippur war waged by Egypt and Syria on Israel without any provocation,8 reiterates Resolution 242 (1967) and declares that “immediately and concurrently with the ceasefire, negotiations start between the parties...aimed at establishing a just and durable peace in the Middle East.”
"Up until 1948, Judea, Samaria and Gaza were a part of the British Mandate. In the 1948 War of Independence, Egypt illegally grabbed the Gaza Strip, and Jordan took Judea and Samaria, the 'West Bank.' Egypt did not claim sovereignty in Gaza, but Jordan deigned, in 1950, to annex Judea and Samaria. This annexation was not recognized by international law. The Arab nations objected to it, and only Britain and Pakistan recognized it - and Britain did not recognize the annexation of eastern Jerusalem. In 1967, after the Six Day War, these territories - which were originally meant for the Jewish Nation's National Home according to the Mandate Charter - returned to Israeli control."
Einhorn adds that in 1988, King Hussein of Jordan rescinded his country's legal and administrative ties to Judea and Samaria...
...there is nothing in international law that requires a Palestinian state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean - not even the UN Partition Resolution of Nov. 29, 1947. That resolution states that "independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem" shall come into existence in Palestine. However, Prof. Einhorn notes the widely-overlooked fact that the introduction to the resolution states specifically that it is merely a "recommendation" and nothing more: "[The General Assembly] recommends to the United Kingdom, as the mandatory Power for Palestine, and to all other Members of the United Nations the adoption and implementation, with regard to the future Government of Palestine, of the Plan of Partition with Economic Union set out below."
The fact that the Arab states did not accept the Partition Plan, explains Prof. Einhorn, voids the recommendation of any legal basis.
As for Mordechai Bentov, he died in 1985, but didn't actually say what you've quoted, in fact, you've taken your information from Al Jazeera.
Actually ? No, my source is NOT AL Jazeera , I would not do that to you guys ! it was from another site.I know he died in 1985 but the quote clearly says Le monde newspaper 3 june 1972( zionist , yes i know but some zionists did say some unbelievable quotes too )
The best quotes I have read are from Naeim Giladi who used to be a zionist until he saw the zionists committ anti semitic acts to get as many pack as possible to Israel . He wrote the "Scandals of Ben Gurion" .
(The lady is Paris was probably promised payment for her mortgage ? the one who faked the anti semitic attacks , or Kerry Dunn ? )
If I was an Arab leader I would never make [peace] with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country." -- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.
"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech. _________________ It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it. G .W .Bush
The quotes that you mentioned above, don't have any relevance at all to the previous posts... what's the point you're trying to make?
As for Naim Giladi, a conspiracy theorist and revisionist (quoted on all the propaganda sites)... where would the Israelis get typhus in 1948? They didn't have bullets. And both typhus and dysentery are diseases of poor sanitation the first requiring lice, the second unhealthy water.
There are others like him, the late Israel Shahak being my favorite.
In one chapter Shahak offered "proof" that Israel alone started the 1948 war -- It seems that after the Egyptian Air Force bombed Tel Aviv, Ben Gurion shouted to his colleagues, (if I remember the quote word for word) "We should bomb their cities and see how they like it!"
To a Revisionist, that's proof, all the proof they need.
To read more about the exodus of Jews from Arab Lands:
As for Nahum Goldmann, you seem to have taken the quotes very much out of context and have left words out... in fact the statements you refer to were made by Moshe Dayan and not by Ben Gurion...
The following is an example of statements misquoted, taken out of context or otherwise manipulated to present a distorted view of Zionist intentions and actions. The misquotes are found in op-eds in campus newpapers and mainstream press as well as on anti-Israel websites.
MISQUOTE:
Example 1 (as quoted in Riverdale Press, January 4, 2001):
“We came to this country, which was already populated by Arabs, and we are establishing a Jewish state. Jewish villages were built in the place of the Arab villages. You don't even know the names of the Arab villages, because those geography books no longer exist. Not only the books do not exist, the Arab villages are not there either… there is not one place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.” ( Moshe Dayan, as quoted in Ha'aretz 1978)
Example 2 (as quoted by Ralph Schoenman)
“We came here to a country that was populated by Arabs, and we are building here a Hebrew, Jewish state. Instead of Arab villages, Jewish villages were established. You do not even know the names of these villages and I do not blame you, because these geography books no longer exist. Not only the books, but also the villages do not exist. Nahalal was established in place of Mahalul, Gevat in place of Jibta, Sarid in the place of Hanifas and Kafr Yehoushu’a in the place of Tel Shamam. There is not a single settlement that was not established in the place of a former Arab village.”
ACTUAL QUOTE AND CONTEXT:
The quote is taken from an address Dayan gave to Technion University students on March 19, 1969. A transcription of the speech appeared in Ha'aretz on April 4, 1969.
In answer to a student's question suggesting that Israel adopt a policy of punishing Arabs who commit crimes in the West Bank by deportation to Jordan, Dayan answers that he is vehemently opposed to this idea, insisting that the answer to the longstanding Arab-Israeli problem is to learn to live together with Arab neighbors. He goes on to say:
“We came to a region that was inhabited by Arabs, and we set up a Jewish state. In many places, we purchased the land from Arabs and set up Jewish villages where there had once been Arab villages. You don't even know the names [of the previous Arab villages] and I don't blame you, because those geography books aren't around anymore. Not only the books, the villages aren't around...”
Dayan's conclusion was that the solution to the Arab-Israeli problem is to learn to coexist with them.
In the misquote, the key phrase “we purchased the land from Arabs” is omitted and thus Dayan's meaning is misrepresented. Dayan was not saying that Arabs were dispossessed. On the contrary, he was indicating that though Arabs sold the land of their own free will, given their one-time presence in the land of Israel, the Israeli goal is to live peacefully together with them.
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:56 am Post subject: There are none so blind
She says she can't see the difference between the deliberate murder of innocent women and children and accidental casualties in warfare; she says it's the same thing.
She wonders why civilized media condemns the blowing up of a discoteque and not the targeted killing of criminals who perpetrate such a crime.
She states, "the IDF shoots at anything that moves.", failing to realize that if that was the case, Israel's war with terrorism would have been over long ago, albeit with much more collateral damge.
She rolls her eyes, she says, at the phrase, "The Jews shall be driven into the sea." a popular statement amongst arabs..but I do agree with her that it ain't gonna happen, and she's correct, Israel could destroy all of the arab armies simultaneously, which is WHY they won't be "driven into the sea."
She equates the monster arafat with the soldier and statesman Ariel Sharon.
Her views and the view of the majority of the Arabians are what is meant by the statement, "The criminal mentality."
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:04 am Post subject: Re: There are none so blind
Michael_BlackburnSr wrote:
She says she can't see the difference between the deliberate murder of innocent women and children and accidental casualties in warfare. She says it's the same thing (!)
She wonders why civilized media condemns the blowing up of a discotheque and not the targeted killing of criminals who perpetrate such a crime.
She states, "the IDF shoots at anything that moves" failing to realize that if that was the case, Israel's war with terrorism would have been over long ago, albeit with much more collateral damage.
She rolls her eyes, she says at the phrase, "The Jews shall be driven into the sea"- a popular statement amongst Arabs, but I do agree with her that it ain't gonna happen.
And she's correct, Israel could destroy all of the Arab armies simultaneously, which is WHY they won't be "driven into the sea."
She equates the monster, Arafat, with the soldier and statesman, Ariel Sharon.
Her views and the view of the majority of the Arabians are what is meant by the statement, "The criminal mentality."
Great response, MB! She is wrong just about everything pertaining to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict: about Israel, about the Arabs and their stance and claims in the whole ordeal, about Zionism, about moral equivalency, etc. I just like the fact that she speaks up freely, can take criticism and correction, and apparently can be reasoned with. Not a bad person.
Starlight - you've used this fabricated statement as your signature:
Quote:
It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth........Theordore Herzl
Can you provide a reference as to which of Herzl's books it's from, or which of his speeches... otherwise would you please remove it, as it's certainly untrue...
Your quote appears on all anti-semitic websites but seems to be a very bad and twisted translation, each part copmpletely out of context with the other, of the original text taken from the following:
And did you know that Theodore Herzl never lived to see the State of Israel established? _________________ He who is merciful with the cruel, will end-up being cruel to the merciful
- Kohelet Rabba 7:16
Since Starlight likes quotes, here are a few more to ponder:
"There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria."
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, a local Arab leader, to the Peel Commission, 1937
"I am ready to kill for the sake of my cause; wouldn't I lie for it?"
- Yasser Arafat
"Kill a settler every day.... Shoot at settlers everywhere.... Woe to you if you let them reach their homes safely or travel safely on the roads.... I want you to kill as many settlers as possible.... Do not pay attention to what I say to the media, the television or public appearances. Pay attention only to the written instructions that you receive from me."
- Yasser Arafat, addressing his people at a public event, July 2001
"Palestine was part of the Province of Syria... politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity."
- The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted this in a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947
"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."
- Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, to the UN Security Council
"You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian People, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people."
- Syrian President Hafez Assad to PLO leader Yassir Arafat.
"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity.... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel."
- Zuheir Muhsin, late Military Department head of the PLO and member of its Executive Council (Dutch daily Trouw, March 1977)
"The Oslo accords were a Trojan Horse; the strategic goal is the liberation of Palestine from the [Jordan] river to the [Mediterranean] sea"
- Faysal Al-Husseini, Palestinian Authority Minister for Jerusalem Affairs, in his last interview, 'Al-Arabi' daily newspaper (Egypt), June 24, 2001
"The people are in great need of a 'myth' to fill their consciousness and imagination...."
- Musa Alami, 1948
"Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees... while it is we who made them leave.... We brought disaster upon ... Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave.... We have rendered them dispossessed.... We have accustomed them to begging.... We have participated in lowering their moral and social level.... Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon ... men, women and children--all this in the service of political purposes...."
- Khaled Al-Azm, Syria's Prime Minister after the 1948 war
"Since 1948 Arab leaders have approached the Palestine problem in an irresponsible manner.... they have used the Palestine people for selfish political purposes. This is ridiculous and, I could say, even criminal."
- King Hussein of Jordan, 1960
"The nations of western Europe condemned Israel's position despite their guarantee of her security.... They understood that ... their dependence upon sources of energy precluded their allowing themselves to incur Arab wrath."
- Al-Haytham Al-Ayubi, Arab Palestinian military strategist, 1974
"Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Americans who are like them."
- Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, member of the Palestinian Fatwa Council
"Palestine has never existed... as an autonomous entity. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture.... There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians.... Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.... Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today.... No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough."
- from "Myths of the Middle East", Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist, WorldNetDaily.Com, 11 October 2000
"President Bush is in the Middle East this week to promote his Middle East peace plan. I don't think Bush quite gets it. Like today he said, 'Everything would work out in the Middle East if the Palestinians and the Israelis would just start acting like good Christians.'"
—Jay Leno
Quote:
"An Israeli man's life was saved when he was given a Palestinian man's heart in a heart transplant operation. The guy is doing fine, but the bad news is, he can't stop throwing rocks at himself."
—Jay Leno
Quote:
"I thought this was kind of a breakthrough. Yasser Arafat says he likes George Bush's idea of a brand new Palestinian election, as long as they count the ballots in Florida."
—David Letterman
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"Yesterday, Yasser Arafat was finally able to leave his compound. And what an emotional scene — on the way out high-fiving all those suicide bombers."
—David Letterman
Quote:
"In an interview, Yasser Arafat's wife, this hypocrite, she lives in Paris by the way. She said she would gladly sacrifice her son for the Palestinian cause if she had one. She also said she would gladly become a suicide bomber herself, except she's allergic to dynamite. 'If it wasn't for that, I would gladly do it instead of shopping here in Paris.'"
—Jay Leno
Quote:
"After weeks of pleading from the United States, on Saturday Yasser Arafat finally condemned violence and terrorism in the Middle East. Nothing like a tank coming through your front door to make you change your mind."
—Jay Leno
Quote:
"Colin Powell's (Middle East) mission was somewhat a success. He came back alive."
—Jay Leno
Quote:
"Earlier today, for the first time, Yasser Arafat issued a statement in Arabic condemning terrorism. U.S. officials say the statement is a step in the right direction except for the last line which translates into 'wink, wink.'"
—Tina Fey on Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update"
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"Yasser Arafat is sleeping on the floor in his office with his closest aides. He is the first leader to do that since Clinton."
—Jay Leno
Quote:
"Egypt now says they will no longer recognize Israel. Well of course they don't recognize Israel, people keep blowing it up."
"President Bush is in the Middle East this week to promote his Middle East peace plan. I don't think Bush quite gets it. Like today he said, 'Everything would work out in the Middle East if the Palestinians and the Israelis would just start acting like good Christians.'"
—Jay Leno
Quote:
"An Israeli man's life was saved when he was given a Palestinian man's heart in a heart transplant operation. The guy is doing fine, but the bad news is, he can't stop throwing rocks at himself."
—Jay Leno
Quote:
"I thought this was kind of a breakthrough. Yasser Arafat says he likes George Bush's idea of a brand new Palestinian election, as long as they count the ballots in Florida."
—David Letterman
Quote:
"Yesterday, Yasser Arafat was finally able to leave his compound. And what an emotional scene — on the way out high-fiving all those suicide bombers."
—David Letterman
Quote:
"In an interview, Yasser Arafat's wife, this hypocrite, she lives in Paris by the way. She said she would gladly sacrifice her son for the Palestinian cause if she had one. She also said she would gladly become a suicide bomber herself, except she's allergic to dynamite. 'If it wasn't for that, I would gladly do it instead of shopping here in Paris.'"
—Jay Leno
Quote:
"After weeks of pleading from the United States, on Saturday Yasser Arafat finally condemned violence and terrorism in the Middle East. Nothing like a tank coming through your front door to make you change your mind."
—Jay Leno
Quote:
"Colin Powell's (Middle East) mission was somewhat a success. He came back alive."
—Jay Leno
Quote:
"Earlier today, for the first time, Yasser Arafat issued a statement in Arabic condemning terrorism. U.S. officials say the statement is a step in the right direction except for the last line which translates into 'wink, wink.'"
—Tina Fey on Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update"
Quote:
"Yasser Arafat is sleeping on the floor in his office with his closest aides. He is the first leader to do that since Clinton."
—Jay Leno
Quote:
"Egypt now says they will no longer recognize Israel. Well of course they don't recognize Israel, people keep blowing it up."
Starlight - you've used this fabricated statement as your signature:
Quote:
It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth........Theordore Herzl
Can you provide a reference as to which of Herzl's books it's from, or which of his speeches... otherwise would you please remove it, as it's certainly untrue...
Your quote appears on all anti-semitic websites but seems to be a very bad and twisted translation, each part copmpletely out of context with the other, of the original text taken from the following:
Starlight - you've used this fabricated statement as your signature:
Quote:
It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth........Theordore Herzl
Can you provide a reference as to which of Herzl's books it's from, or which of his speeches... otherwise would you please remove it, as it's certainly untrue...
Your quote appears on all anti-semitic websites but seems to be a very bad and twisted translation, each part copmpletely out of context with the other, of the original text taken from the following:
As you wouldn't know about antisemitism, you wouldn't know it if you saw it...
Also, you'll have no problem producing the full, original text of Herzl's quote! _________________ He who is merciful with the cruel, will end-up being cruel to the merciful
- Kohelet Rabba 7:16
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She is wrong just about everything pertaining to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict: about Israel, about the Arabs and their stance and claims in the whole ordeal, about Zionism, about moral equivalency, etc. I just like the fact that she speaks up freely, can take criticism and correction, and apparently can be reasoned with. Not a bad person.
