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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2004 2:08 am    Post subject: The World's Security Fences Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

To our big surprise we discovered that there exist some fences and barriers in the world, outside of Israel. Some of them even can be found at major UN member states. Please help the world get rid of the fences and write to the heads of state and representatives to the United Nations.

First, we start with the fence between Mexico and the USA. There is really no need for this fence since the millions of illegal Mexicans in the United States do not commit suicide bomb attacks in American restaurants. Write to mr. Bush and mr. Powell today. (Nobody told them about this fence.)

President George W. Bush
Postal address : The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW
Washington, DC 20500
Fax : (202) 456 - 2883
E-mail : president@whitehouse.gov

U.S. Secretary of State Collin Powell
Postal address : Department of State
2201 C Street, NW
Washington, DC 20520
Fax : (202) 647 - 1533
E-mail : secretary@state.gov


www.healhunger.org/suffer01.htm


http://betsy.murphy00.tripod.com/GXRealityTours/BrownBagPres.html


http://dbacon.igc.org/Mexico/border02.htm


http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2001/jul01/010722/mas-canasta.html

Then we continue with the fence between North and South Korea.
A totally useless fence since the regimes of both countries share the same democratic values. Remind their representatives about this:

Permanent Representative of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea to the UN ,820 Second Avenue, 13th Floor, New York, NY 10017
Telephone: (212) 972-3105/3106/3128, Telefax: (212) 972-3154

Permanent Representative of the Republic of Korea to the UN, 335 East 45th Street, New York, NY 10017
Telephone: (212) 439-4000, Telefax: (212) 986-1083



A fence in Europe! Could it be? But those people live in peace! The fence between Cyprus and the Turkish occupied territory should be removed at once, not only opened during daytime.
Write about this to:
Permanent Representative of Turkey to the UN, 821 United Nations Plaza, 10th Floor, New York, NY 10017
Telephone: (212) 949-0150, Telefax: (212) 949-0086
Permanent Representative of Cyprus to the UN, 13 East 40th Street, New York, NY 10016
Telephone: (212) 481-6023/6024/6025, Telefax: (212) 685-7316


http://www.qsl.net/ah6hy/cyprus.html

Another fence in Europe!
In Northern Ireland this time, where thanks to wise British policy, Catholics and Protestants live in peace together for centuries. Let's get rid of this fence! Write to Mr. Blair. He does not know of these fences in Belfast!

Rt Hon Tony Blair MP, Prime Minister
Postal address : 10 Downing Street
London SW1A 2AA
Fax : 0207 925 0918



http://www.antipodeansabroad.com/Ireland-middle.htm

This is a good fence, as friendly Dutch people know how to build. It is only meant to keep illegal immigrants from leaving the harbor area of Hoek van Holland. But the purpose is like any other fence: keep the wrong people out of your country.

Write to Minister President, J.P. Balkenende
Ministerie van Algemene Zaken
Postbus 20001
2500 EA Den Haag
Nederland
Fax +31-70 - 356 46 83


http://www.grenzeloos.nl/Hoek.htm

Now, this is really bad, A fence between 2 major United Nations members, India and Pakistan.
Look what is says at the website of Tribune:
A farmer with his bullock cart moves along the Indo-Pak border fence near Amritsar on Monday. He has agricultural land beyond the fence. — PTI photo
Write your letter to :
Permanent Representative of Pakistan to the UN ,Pakistan House, 8 East 65th Street, New York, NY 10021 Telephone: (212) 879-8600, Telefax: (212) 744-7348
Permanent Representative of India to the UN, 235 East 43rd Street, New York, NY 10017 Telephone: (212) 490-9660, Telefax: (212) 490-9656


http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20020709/punjab.htm

Another one in Europe! Is it possible? In Solana's own country!
Spain erected a barbed wired fence, guarded by soldiers, in Ceuta, on the border with Morocco, in order to keep illegal workers (without bombs) out of Spain.

Write to:
Presidente del Gobierno de España, José María Aznar López, Complejo de La Moncloa, 28071 Madrid, fax 91-335-32-15


http://www.antonmeres.com/isla%20perejil-prin.htm


http://www.udel.edu/leipzig/texts1/ela01106.html


http://www.udel.edu/leipzig/071198/ela020299.htm

Saudi Arabia enrages Yemen with fence!
By John R. Bradley in Sa'ada, Yemen
11 February 2004

Saudi Arabia, one of the most vocal critics in the Arab world of Israel's "security fence" in the West Bank, is quietly emulating the Israeli example by erecting a barrier along its porous border with Yemen.

The barrier is part of a plan to erect what will be an electronic surveillance system along the length of the kingdom's frontiers - land, air and sea. The project, involving fencing and electronic detection equipment, has been in the planning stages for several years. It may cost up to $8.57bn (£4.58bn). Behind the plan is a deep-seated lack of trust in the Yemeni authorities' ability to arrest infiltrators before they make it into Saudi territory.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=490024

Electric Fence between Botswana and Zimbabwe

Residents living near the Botswana border with Zimbabwe have welcomed a move by the Botswana government to erect a 10-foot-high electrified fence to separate the two countries. Officially, the fence is to keep out livestock from Zimbabwe suspected of carrying foot-and-mouth disease but people are hoping it will block the path of thousands of illegal immigrants who are fleeing the political and economic turmoil in Zimbabwe.
http://www.cleansafeworldwide.org/doc.asp?doc=1543&cat=168
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2004 12:16 pm    Post subject: Re: The World's Security Fences Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There is a tree that block the view of the forest.

But how can flower that grows from it's dark side know that?

oho yes, the salami,.... he will proclaim the truth throughout the land....and make sense out of chaos.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2004 1:14 pm    Post subject: Don't Fence Me In Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Sammy Kaye wrote:

Don't Fence Me In
Sammy Kaye

Wildcat Kelly, looking kind of pale,
Was standing at the Sheriff's side,
And when the Sheriff said "I am sending you to jail,"
Wildcat threw back his head and cried.

Just give me land, lots of land, under starry skies above,
Don't fence me in.
Let me ride through the wide open country that I love,
Don't fence me in.!
Let me be by myself in the evenin' breezes,
Listen to the murmur of the cottonwood tree-zes,
Send me off forever, and I'll ask you please,
Don't fence me in..

Just turn me loose, let me straddle my ol' saddle underneath a western sky,
On my cayuse let me wander over yonder 'til I see the mountains rise.

I want to ride to the ridge where the West commences,
Gaze at the moon 'til I lose my senses,
Can't handle hobbles, and I can't stand fences,
Don't fence me in.

Wildcat Kelly back in town again, was standing at his sweethearts side,
And when his sweetheart said, "C'mon let's stop and settle down",
Wildcat threw back his head and cried;

Just give me land, lots of land, under starry skies above,
Don't fence me in.
Let me ride through the wide open country that I love,
Don't fence me in.!
Let me be by myself in the evenin' breezes,
Listen to the murmur of the cottonwood tree-zes,
Send me off forever, and I'll ask you please,
Don't fence me in.

Just turn me loose, let me straddle my ol' saddle underneath a western sky,
On my cayuse let me wander over yonder 'til I see the mountains rise.

I want to ride to the ridge where the West commences,
Gaze at the moon 'til I lose my senses,
Can't handle hobbles, and I can't stand fences,
Don't fence me in.

Don't fence me in.... I said a, Don't fence me in.


me wrote:

Don't fence me in.
... ooops ... too late ...

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Katsav: If ICJ orders a halt to construction, we will ignore it

If the International Court of Justice in The Hague orders Israel to stop building the anti-terrorism barrier, Israel will ignore it, President Moshe Katsav told Israel Radio on Saturday.

“If that is their decision, we will have to reject it. There is no justification for that decision. Most democratic countries would not suffer that kind of intervention from the court. It is a security fence, not a border. It has not political meaning. It is only for security purposes, it is intended to keep the Palestinians from killing us”.

Katsav added that he thinks that he barrier is also to the Palestinian’s benefit. “Yes, there is some Palestinians are suffering along he barrier route but in the end, if we manager to cause a drastic reduction in the ability of terrorist organizations to attack us, it will bring about a renewal of the diplomatic process, which immediately improve the Palestinians’ condition”.

http://www.maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=9067
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EU Hypocrites!

EU Supports Partition Fence - in Spanish Morocco

While the European Union attacks Israeli mercilessly for the partition fence it's building to protect Jewish lives, the EU itself funds and operates a similar fence designed only to protect itself from illegal immigrants.

Former Mossad agent Gad Shimron reports that while the European Union attacks Israeli mercilessly for the partition fence it's building to protect Jewish lives, the EU itself funds and operates a similar fence designed only to protect itself from illegal immigrants.

The fence is located in a Spanish enclave in northwestern Africa, the coastal city of Ceuta just across the Straits of Gibraltar from Spain. Unknown to most of the world, when Spain handed over most of northern Morocco to the newly independent kingdom in 1956, Spain retained Ceuta and Melilla (about 250 kilometers further east) - thus that the European Union is present in Africa as well. Poverty-stricken Moroccans attempting to cross into Ceuta, from where they will then be able to work anywhere in Europe because of the EU's no-checkpoints policy, are stopped in their tracks by the eight-meter-high, double layer fence. Funding for the fence, some 60 million Euros, came from European Union coffers.

Frequent Spanish patrols, together with policemen who do not hesitate to beat potential infiltrators, render crossing the partition a nearly impossible mission - but the needy say they will continue to try. One of those who is determined to immigrate to Europe, said, "Whoever came all this difficult way and reaches the mountains of northern Morocco, opposite the fence of Ceuta, will not give up. You see the lights of Ceuta? As far as we're concerned, that's the Promised land. The people here are in despair and will do anything to pass over that fence, enter Spain, and from there continue northward and blend in with the other millions of immigrants in Europe."

The EU continues to oppose Israel's fence, constructed to protect against murderous terrorists and suicide bombs - even as it plans to build another fence of its own around Spain's second enclave in northern Africa, the Moroccan town of Melilla. "It appears," concludes Gad Shimron in Maariv today, "that from a European point of view, the ethical aspects of a separation fence are sometimes a matter of geography."

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=65055
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Some fences are good. The one in Israel has stopped the free roaming of Palestinian terrorists. It is a good thing. Period.

Do the Palestinians cry foul and discrimination? Let them look into the mirror. Besides, discrimination is good in my book. Discrimination is good in making healthy judgments and in keeping peace and order in general. Today, in the US, even some Blacks revert to racial discrimination, e.g., as a good thing.

Fences and discrimination can be very good things.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:37 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Jim wrote:
Some fences are good. The one in Israel has stopped the free roaming of Palestinian terrorists. It is a good thing. Period.

Do the Palestinians cry foul and discrimination? Let them look into the mirror. Besides, discrimination is good in my book. Discrimination is good in making healthy judgments and in keeping peace and order in general. Today, in the US, even some Blacks revert to racial discrimination, e.g., as a good thing.

Fences and discrimination can be very good things.



Hi Jim,

What are your thoughts about this fence: http://www.jerusalemposts.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=7166
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Which fence is that specifically, my friend? The link you gave is for a list of threads. Anything in specific?
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Jim wrote:
Which fence is that specifically, my friend? The link you gave is for a list of threads. Anything in specific?


Hi Jim,

What I meant is the thread of What about the ARABIC Fence? and not the posts in responce to it...

Thanks.
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The ARABIC Fence of Hate is getting higher than the UN building in NY, but then since Arabs use stones only in accordance with the Koran to hit the Jews with, they use only beheaded infidels skulls for their wall of shame.

Yes, THAT fence was even higher than the UN building. It was much higher than the Twin Towers too. That fence has been built by Islamic ideology and maintained by it as well. Hate is the fuel of Islam; hate of the infidels, i.e., ALL peoples - Arabs included - who don't profess Islam.
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I think it was Waldo Emerson or Waldo Pepper or someSuch that said "Good fences make for good neighbors". In ISRAEL's case we really must insist on it. Most folk's neighbors aren't trying to blow up our children

(..if they tried that around here they'd get a face full of buckShot...) Evil or Very Mad
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PM: TA attack first under The Hague's auspices
by Herb Keinon

This morning's act of murder is the first to have occurred under the auspices of the opinion of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague. On Friday, the sacred right of the war on terrorism received a slap in the face by the ICJ in The Hague, after it decided that the terrorism-prevention fence is illegal and that Israel must dismantle it, " Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said as he opened Sunday's cabinet meeting.

"An Israeli has been murdered by Palestinian terrorists this morning, and others were wounded. We pray for their speedy recovery.

I want to make it clear: The State of Israel completely rejects the ICJ's opinion. This is a one-sided opinion based solely on political considerations. The opinion completely ignores the reason for the construction of the security fence - murderous Palestinian terrorism. But what the ICJ judges refused to see, the Palestinians quickly showed them this morning - murder and the wounding of innocent civilians. It is not for nothing that the Palestinians are struggling against the fence. They know full well that the completion of the fence will make it very difficult for them to continue perpetrating acts of murder.

"What The Hague judges refused to acknowledge, the Palestinians rushed to demonstrate. The Palestinians know very well that the construction of the fence will make it much harder for them to carry out their murder. The Hague court's ruling sends a very clear message in support of terrorism," the prime minister added.

"The opinion sends a deadly message that encourages terror on the one hand and prevents countries from protecting themselves against it on the other. Today, all who fear the spread of terror must stand alongside Israel in demanding that this immoral and dangerous opinion pass from the world. All civilized people for whom standing against terror is important must stand alongside Israel and disavow both the opinion and its dangerous significance," Sharon said.

Israel will continue building the security fence in line with the ruling of the High Court of Justice in Jerusalem, and not the International Court of Justice in the Hague, officials told Army Radio Sunday.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon will meet Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom, Justice Minister Yosef Lapid, Attorney General Menahem Mazuz and senior legal advisers Sunday to consider the political, legal, and public relations implications of Friday's International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruling against Israel on the security fence.

Foreign Minister Shalom met with top advisors in his ministry Saturday night to formulate an official Israeli line of response. Foreign Ministry officials said the Hague court's ruling "totally ignored" the reason the fence was being built in the first place - Palestinian terrorism.

Ambassador to the US Danny Ayalon told The Jerusalem Post that "in the next few days and weeks we will work closely with the US to ensure that a maximum number of countries don't join the expected [anti-Israel] resolutions in the [UN] General Assembly."

The Palestinians are expected to call for an emergency session of the 191-member General Assembly later this week to deal with the ICJ decision. Israeli diplomatic officials said it is likely that the Palestinians will not be satisfied with one resolution condemning Israel, but will mount a campaign over the next few months that will include a number of such resolutions.

The first resolution will likely be relatively mild and call upon Israel to accept the court's opinion. Then in September, during the General Assembly, when attention is focused on New York because of the world leaders who annually go to address the world body, the Palestinians will likely call for a General Assembly resolution calling for sanctions, or kick the issue to the Security Council for deliberation.

While the General Assembly can only recommend suggestions, and its resolutions are not binding, the Security Council resolutions are binding.

Ayalon said that "the Americans won't let it [a resolution calling for sanctions] pass the Security Council, but will use their veto." Ayalon said Israel and the US "see eye-to-eye on the necessity of the fence, though not on the route, and also the fact that the ICJ has no jurisdiction in this issue."

Four of the five permanent members of the Security Council who hold veto power – the US, Russia, Britain, and France – all voted against sending the issue to the ICJ, with only China, the fifth permanent member, voting in favor. Diplomatic officials said that even without a US veto, there is a good chance that Israel could muster nine votes on the Security Council to keep the issue from being debated there.

Diplomatic officials said Israel's diplomatic efforts in the next few weeks will concentrate first on the 32 countries, including most of Europe, plus Canada, Japan, and Australia, who agreed with Israel's argument that the ICJ was not the body to deal with this issue. Israel will try to convince these countries to vote against, or at least abstain, when the Palestinians bring their resolutions to the General Assembly.

Then the diplomatic efforts will be aimed at the 15 members of the Security Council, to get them to either block the resolution from reaching that body or voting against it. And if all that fails, the diplomatic efforts will concentrate on the five permanent members of the Security Council in order to ensure a veto.

According to Israeli officials, it is not clear what the Palestinian tactics will be, and whether they will bring the issue to the Security Council knowing that the US will use its veto.

If they do decide to bring the issue to the Security Council, it is not yet clear what the language will be.

One diplomatic official said that it is paradoxically in Israel's interest for the Palestinians to try and bring to the Security Council a resolution calling for sanctions, because this would surely be vetoed by the US.

A milder resolution, not including sanctions, would likely garner more support. If history is any precedent, the official said, the Palestinians will likely try to push through the harshest resolution possible.

Ayalon said that a non-binding General Assembly resolution calling for sanctions could be used by some countries as a pretext for imposing sanctions on Israel, but that in all likelihood these would be countries that don't even have any trade relations with Israel.

Gideon Meir, the Foreign Ministry's deputy director-general for public affairs, said "the fact that the decision was so one-sided, that terrorism is mentioned only once and that in explaining Israel's position, shows how illogical and immoral the decision is."

Ayalon said he is not concerned that the resolution will make his job explaining Israel's position in the US any more difficult. "There are thousands of resolutions, it is not something new," he said. "The only thing new here is the instrument [the ICJ], not the language."

A senior official in the Prime Minister's Office said that the decision is likely to harm the moral status of the court more than Israel.

"No other country's right of self-defense is challenged like that of Israel," the official said. "On the one hand it is very troubling to Israel, on the other hand the price for the decision will be the deterioration of the status of the ICJ, at a time that in order to fight terror you want a strong and impartial court. Instead, what we see is a court that is highly politicized and incapable of providing moral stature to moves taken against terror."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1089257373798
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ICJ decision denies Israel the right to self-defence!

PM Sharon rejects 'one-sided, political' ICJ ruling

By Aluf Benn, Shlomo Shamir and Yuval Yoaz

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon opened Sunday's meeting of his cabinet in Jerusalem on Sunday by lashing out at the International Court of Justice's ruling on the West Bank separation fence, calling it a "slap in the face" in the global fight against terrorism.

The prime minister said that "Israel completely rejects the ICJ's one-sided ruling, which was purely political in nature." Sharon also accused the court of ignoring "the reason for the construction of the fence - murderous Palestinian terror."

"I want to make clear, the state of Israel absolutely rejects the ruling of the International Court of Justice in The Hague," Sharon said in his first public comments on Friday's decision that the barrier was illegal. "It is a one-sided and politically motivated ruling. The decision sends a destructive message to encourage the terror and denounces countries that are defending themselves against it."

Continued construction of the barrier, he said, "is the most reasonable measure to take against this criminal terrorism."

Sharon also called on all the nations in the global war on terror to reject the ICJ ruling, adding that he hoped "this immoral decision will disappear from the world."

Referring to the terror attack in Tel Aviv just two hours before the start of the meeting, Sharon said, "the murderous act this morning is the first that occurred to the credit of the decision of the world court at the Hague."

The Palestinians are to hold off pushing for a UN Security Council resolution against Israel's West Bank barrier until after November's U.S. presidential elections, ministers said Sunday.

"We decided that it was not wise now to go to the Security Council because we don't want to incite the Americans, especially during the election campaign and its better to wait until after the elections," one minister said after a meeting chaired by Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

"In the meantime we will take the issue to the (UN) General Assembly," he said on condition of anonymity.

Israel, meanwhile, is mobilizing its efforts to contain the damaging diplomatic effect of the decision by the International Court of Justice at The Hague on Friday against the security fence being constructed in the occupied territories.

The panel of 15 judges declared the construction of the security fence a violation of international law, called for the immediate end to the building of the "barrier," demanded that the existing sections of the fence be razed, and said the Palestinian civilians suffering damage from the construction must be compensated.

Israel's immediate goal is to convince as many of the "relevant countries" - a euphemism for the west - not to vote in favor of the ruling when it is brought to the General Assembly of the United Nations.

Nasser Al-Kidwa, the Palestinian observer at the UN, is expected to submit a draft resolution to Arab members affirming the ICJ ruling against the fence ahead of the meeting.

"The General Assembly will now be called upon to look into this matter," Yahya Mahmassani, the ambassador from the League of Arab States told reporters.

The vote, expected to take place on Thursday, is guaranteed to generate a majority of support for the Palestinians against Israel. But in Jerusalem there is hope that western countries will avoid supporting the resolution, and that it will pass only with the support of the developing countries.

The deputy chief of Israel's UN mission Arye Mekel said Saturday that Israel has started intensive talks with the Europeans to try and get them not to support any General Assembly resolution on the fence.

Diplomatic sources said Saturday that they believe that the European Union countries, a bloc of 25 countries, will choose to abstain from the vote, because they will not be able to formulate a common stance.

For it part, the United States has promised to block any resolution at the Security Council against Israel, but the Bush administration is not likely to wish to find itself isolated and will try to rally the support of additional countries rather than have to use its veto power.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon will convene a special cabinet meeting Sunday on the ICJ ruling, with the participation of Attorney General Menachem Mazuz and other officials of the Justice Ministry.

Mazuz is expected to hold an evening session with officials from various ministries relevant to the fence project, in order to examine closely the implications of the ICJ ruling and Israel's options for a response.

Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said Saturday that "Israel will continue building the security fence, which is meant to protect the lives of the citizens of Israel."

Justice Minister Yosef Lapid said on Friday that Israel will not follow the ICJ ruling on the fence but will abide by the 30 June ruling by the High Court of Justice, which ordered the Defense Ministry to reroute a 30-kilometer stretch of the separation fence northwest of Jerusalem. The High Court held that the fence was a security barrier rather than a political one, but that Israel must balance security considerations against the needs of local residents.

"Now, of course, there is the limitation the High Court of Justice imposed in Israel, and we will comply with our High Court decisions, and not with the International Court whose decision is in any case a legal opinion for the United Nations," he said.

In a response to the ruling of the International Court of Justice on the West Bank separation fence, Israel said Friday that the court had failed to address the issue of "Palestinian terror" in determining that the barrier is illegal.

"It fails to address the essence of the problem and the very reason for building the fence - Palestinian terror," a Foreign Ministry spokesman said.

"The key to resolving the conflict in the Middle East won't be found in The Hague or in Manhattan, but in Ramallah or Gaza, where terror originates," the spokesman said.

Opposition leader MK Shimon Peres said that the ICJ "ignored the fact that the right to stay alive is a basic human right," criticizing the international court for omitting the main reason Israel is building the fence.

"I believe that after all the rancor dies, this resolution will find its place in the garbage can of history. The court has made an unjust ruling denying Israel its right of self-defense," said Ra'anan Gissin, a senior advisor to Sharon.

"This is a dark day for the international court of justice and the international legal system," Dan Gillerman, Israel's ambassador to the United Nations, said Friday. "It is shocking and appalling that in all the 60-plus pages of the opinion, the court failed to address the essence of the problem and the very reason for building the fence - the indiscriminate and murderous campaign of terror that Israelis are facing," he said.

Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also condemned the ruling as unjust."What's going to happen now is this is going to go to the UN General Assembly," Netanyahu said. "They can decide anything there. They can say that the earth is flat. It won't make it legal, it won't make it true and it won't make it just."

President Moshe Katsav said the court was wrong in assuming the fence constituted a permanent border.

Ahead of the ruling, IDF Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Moshe Ya'alon said Friday that international legislation on matters concerning war are outdated and irrelevant. According to Ya'alon, the use of civilians in a combat zone necessitates the building of the fence, and that in most sections, the fence allows for complete prevention of attacks.

"The Palestinians recruit seemingly enlightened individuals to condemn Israel, but the fence provides the best security for Israeli citizens," Ya'alon said at a conference in Tel Aviv on Friday.

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/449833.html
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:23 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Israel follows its own law, not bigoted Hague decision

by Alan Dershowitz

The Israeli government has both a legal and a moral obligation to comply with the Israeli Supreme Court's decision regarding the security fence.

After all, the Supreme Court is a creation of the Knesset and is therefore representative of all of the people – Jews, Muslims, and Christians alike. Moreover, the Supreme Court has a real stake in both sides of the fence dispute. Its job is to balance the security needs of its citizens against the humanitarian concerns of West Bank Palestinians. It tried to strike that balance by upholding the concept of a security fence while insisting that the Israeli military authorities give due weight to the needs of the Palestinians, even if that requires some compromise on the security of Israelis.

Contrast this with the questionable status of the International Court of Justice in The Hague. No Israeli judge may serve on that court as a permanent member, while sworn enemies of Israel serve among its judges, several of whom represent countries that do not abide by the rule of law.

Virtually every democracy voted against that court's taking jurisdiction over the fence case, while nearly every country that voted to take jurisdiction was a tyranny. Israel owes the International Court absolutely no deference. It is under neither a moral nor a legal obligation to give any weight to its predetermined decision.

The Supreme Court of Israel recognized the unquestionable reality that the security fence has saved numerous lives and promises to save more, but it also recognized that this benefit must be weighed against the material disadvantages to West Bank Palestinians. The International Court, on the other hand, discounted the saving of lives and focused only on the Palestinian interests. By showing its preference for Palestinian property rights over the lives of Jews, the International Court displayed its bigotry.

The International Court of Justice is much like a Mississippi court in the 1930s. The all-white Mississippi court, which excluded blacks from serving on it, could do justice in disputes between whites, but it was incapable of doing justice in cases between a white and a black. It would always favor white litigants. So, too, the International Court. It is perfectly capable of resolving disputes between Sweden and Norway, but it is incapable of doing justice where Israel is involved, because Israel is the excluded black when it comes to that court – indeed when it comes to most United Nations organs.

A judicial decision can have no legitimacy when rendered against a nation that is willfully excluded from the court's membership by bigotry.
Just as the world should have disregarded any decision against blacks rendered by a Mississippi court in the 1930s, so too should all decent people contemptuously disregard the bigoted decisions of the International Court of Justice when it comes to Israel. To give any credence to the decisions of that court is to legitimize bigotry.

The International Court of Justice should be a court of last resort to which aggrieved litigants can appeal when their own country's domestic courts are closed to them. The Israeli Supreme Court is not only open to all Israeli Arabs, but also to all West Bank and Gaza Arabs. Israel's Supreme Court is the only court in the Middle East where an Arab can actually win a case against his government.

The decision of the International Court of Justice against Israel should harm the reputation of that court in the minds of objective observers rather than damage the credibility of Israel. The Israeli government will comply with the rule of law by following the decision of its own Supreme Court.

If the International Court of Justice were itself to apply the rule of law instead of the calculus of politics, it might deserve respect.

Now – like the general assembly of which it's a creation and the Mississippi courts of the 1930s of which it's a clone – all it deserves is the contempt of decent people for its bigoted processes and its predetermined partisan result.

Prof. Dershowitz wrote this article the day before the International Court rendered this opinion because he was certain – based on the composition of the court – that its verdict would be against Israel. Following the decision he did not have to change a single word.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1089516095976
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:41 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Virtually every democracy voted against that court's taking jurisdiction over the fence case, while nearly every country that voted to take jurisdiction was a tyranny. Israel owes the International Court absolutely no deference. It is under neither a moral nor a legal obligation to give any weight to its predetermined decision.

Excellent reminder.
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